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Eden2k5 · Apr 14, 2006, 03:23 AM // 03:23

Let me play the same exact build for half a year and i'll be the best too.

Smurf_Default · Apr 14, 2006, 03:30 AM // 03:30

Lulu owns

warrior- Im A Paladin
mesmer- Heavy Tengu Armor
monk- Soul Wedding, |i also very much like Kuntz.
ranger- hutto

i always like Kuntz

n Krieger is too koo

UltimaXtreme · Apr 14, 2006, 10:45 AM // 10:45

ranger: me
monk: soul wedding
war: last of master
mesmer: n/a
ele: n/a
necro: n/a

hmmm... i dunno, i feel that the caster classes just don't require as much "skill" to play. most builds with those classes revolve around knowing which targets and when to shutdown or attack instead of interrupting, healing, or melee.

basically i would like to say that ranger, monk, and warrior needs skill to actually make a difference in battles, while the other 3 classes are just a display of knowledge within the game with a few minor exeptions (ie: power block mesmer etc.)

Eet GnomeSmasher · Apr 14, 2006, 10:58 AM // 10:58

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Originally Posted by Arcanis the Omnipotent

No, people who are in the observer mode have nothing to do with individual talent. Its all about how well your guild performs as a team. There could be much better people in much lower ranked guilds who just arent seen because of that fact.

I wish people would shut up about the whole "Well there are people who are better" crap.

Of course there are people who are better, but since they arent in the spotlight, how can we name them or talk about them?

That's like telling people to stop talking about sports celebrities and stop admiring them because there are better athletes somewhere that are unknown. Well no kidding, Sherlock, but who cares about them if we dont know who they are?

So instead of ranting about how these people arent the best, why dont you post who YOU think is the best player and educate us? It's better than some idiotic reply of "Well, there are better players but I dont know who..."

Angelina · Apr 14, 2006, 12:48 PM // 12:48

gw doesn't required enough skill to call a player better then another.
you are good, or you are not good. there is no "ultimate player".

Shen Xi · Apr 14, 2006, 05:23 PM // 17:23

right, so what makes evil/te/iB/whoever so much better than all the other teams? cos you're either good, or not, they aren't any better than other "good" layers *rolleyes*

Mimi Miyagi · Apr 14, 2006, 07:15 PM // 19:15

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Originally Posted by Shen Xi

right, so what makes evil/te/iB/whoever so much better than all the other teams? cos you're either good, or not, they aren't any better than other "good" layers *rolleyes*

Better Teamwork.
Better builds
Better map play
Better situational awareness
Better ability to adapt to changing circumstances
Better leadership

Doesn't matter how good the player is, it's all about the leadership and teamwork. Mashing keys on a keyboard doesn't mean squat for skill in this game.

Eet GnomeSmasher · Apr 14, 2006, 07:22 PM // 19:22

And yet more pointless "There are no best players" posts...

How many of these idiotic posts do we need? Buncha broken records...

Vanquisher · Apr 14, 2006, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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Originally Posted by Mimi Miyagi

Better Teamwork.
Better builds
Better map play
Better situational awareness
Better ability to adapt to changing circumstances
Better leadership

Doesn't matter how good the player is, it's all about the leadership and teamwork. Mashing keys on a keyboard doesn't mean squat for skill in this game.

Actually, all those factors are ones in which someone becomes a better player.

Mimi Miyagi · Apr 14, 2006, 09:19 PM // 21:19

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Originally Posted by Vanquisher

Actually, all those factors are ones in which someone becomes a better player.

Not neccessarily. Leadership with the above skills substitutes for individual "skill", and all are quite transparent to people watching a match in observer. You have no idea what communication is going on, or what the team as a whole is thinking.

Go here, do this, take that, run back, split, cap, rez, press, attack this target - all of this is missing from observer mode. For all anyone knows, the players mentioned could simply be trained monkeys.

So judging people in this game based on observing a match doesn't provide anyone with any real insight into who is "better" than another.

People thought Brett Farve was the best QB currently playing - until his offensive line became a joke. Suddenly Brett Farve looks like some deer in the headlights rookie, losing 85% of their games in a season. Does that mean Brett Farve is any less better than he was when he won the SB? How would you know? Or, was he great because his supporting cast around him 8 years ago that much better and masked his poor play?

jules · Apr 14, 2006, 09:41 PM // 21:41

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Originally Posted by Mimi Miyagi

People thought Brett Farve was the best QB currently playing - until his offensive line became a joke. Suddenly Brett Farve looks like some deer in the headlights rookie, losing 85% of their games in a season. Does that mean Brett Farve is any less better than he was when he won the SB? How would you know? Or, was he great because his supporting cast around him 8 years ago that much better and masked his poor play?

Ouch that 4-12 season still hurts.

Since it's way OT I'm going to stop myself from jumping to defend Favre and the Packers.

Being a good team player is very much a skill in itself. You can be a great solo player but you won't survive long in a great team (like a GvG top 8) unless you have good teamwork too.

Mimi Miyagi · Apr 14, 2006, 09:51 PM // 21:51

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Originally Posted by jules

Ouch that 4-12 season still hurts.

Since it's way OT I'm going to stop myself from jumping to defend Favre and the Packers.

Being a good team player is very much a skill in itself. You can be a great solo player but you won't survive long in a great team (like a GvG top 8) unless you have good teamwork too.

Very true, but it's also the old "sum is better than it's parts" thing. Individually, they don't have to be "the best" to be a winner. They just simply need to not be the worst and can follow directions.

And we don't need to establish the best "teams".

Iskrah · Apr 14, 2006, 11:05 PM // 23:05

Do you play sports Mimi Miyagi? Because if you do, based on what I read from your ideas of what's good/who's best, then... i'm sure you're crappy. No experience at all.

When you play ball, and you find yourself in different situations, you'll be able to know who has game and who doesn't. Plain and simple, not many brain cells required. You can hide your argument behind parts of what makes a good individual player (teamwork for instance), it doesn't help your case. Brett Favre, tens years after 1996, is not the same player and has a less good supporting-cast. And you extrapolate as to saying "hey see how relative it is!". No. An experience goes along with the ability to understand the causes and reasons. You'd make a bad scientist too.

Cygnus_Zero · Apr 14, 2006, 11:22 PM // 23:22

No one person can be the best. That's a fact. There is too many different things to do and builds that can be run. One warrior might be good at tanking in GvG or whatever, another one might be far superior at soloing in PvE. No single person can be the best at every aspect of a specific profession.

Eet GnomeSmasher · Apr 15, 2006, 12:19 AM // 00:19

I think we need more "There are no best players" posts in this thread because we sure didnt get enough the first dozen times:

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Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood

This is a silly thread IMHO. "Best" players indeed, as if there is some metric for "Best Overall Player". The game is much too situational to break things down to that point.

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Originally Posted by Mimi Miyagi

These lists are nothing more than popularity contests. There are plenty of people on lesser "known" guilds that are far better players than any of these listed.
...this thread is a shameless effort to smooch some butt, or promote friends.

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Originally Posted by Inureface

There is no real best because 1v1 does not demonstrate true skil, just your luck in putting the skills on your bar, and being in a good guild doesn't make them the best player or anything, its teamwork that makes them and everyone else look good.

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Originally Posted by SilentAssassin

imo there aren't really "best players", because GuildWars is and hopefully will stay a teambased game

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Originally Posted by byteme!

As far as I am concerned there is no BEST player. For every situation there is ALWAYS someone better.

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Originally Posted by Brutaniu Mason

Heh, this thread is kinda funny. I don't see how anyone can truly claim to be or claim to have found "thee best" player at something.

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Originally Posted by Angelina

gw doesn't required enough skill to call a player better then another.
you are good, or you are not good. there is no "ultimate player".

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Originally Posted by Cygnus_Zero

No one person can be the best. That's a fact. There is too many different things to do and builds that can be run.

ExDeity · Apr 15, 2006, 01:10 AM // 01:10

All these people saying that one player cannot be the best at his profession are blatantly covering-up an insecurity they obviously have in their own skill, which seems rather counter-intuitive to me because these posters are here to bash egos, not to display their own.

"Well, no one player can be the best." Really? So if nobody can be the best, then every PvP guild should win by chance every once in awhile, right?

Oh, you mean that teamwork is the reason they're winning?

Is teamwork no longer a factor in skill? There is a reason that players from guilds with great teamwork are being named as the better players in this game: THEIR TEAM IS WINNING, AND THEY ARE VERY MUCH A PART OF THAT TEAM'S SUCCESS.

It is completely ignorant to say that one player cannot be the best at what he does. Out of all the Mesmers out there, ONE of them is the BEST. That is the point of this thread. Seeing who the gamers choose as the best at their professions.

Shame on all of you who had to ruin the parade. Perhaps if your own egos were concealed a bit better, this thread wouldn't require such hostility in reprimanding your ridiculous responses.

Arcanis the Omnipotent · Apr 15, 2006, 02:03 AM // 02:03

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Originally Posted by ExDeity

All these people saying that one player cannot be the best at his profession are blatantly covering-up an insecurity they obviously have in their own skill, which seems rather counter-intuitive to me because these posters are here to bash egos, not to display their own.

"Well, no one player can be the best." Really? So if nobody can be the best, then every PvP guild should win by chance every once in awhile, right?

Oh, you mean that teamwork is the reason they're winning?

Is teamwork no longer a factor in skill? There is a reason that players from guilds with great teamwork are being named as the better players in this game: THEIR TEAM IS WINNING, AND THEY ARE VERY MUCH A PART OF THAT TEAM'S SUCCESS.

It is completely ignorant to say that one player cannot be the best at what he does. Out of all the Mesmers out there, ONE of them is the BEST. That is the point of this thread. Seeing who the gamers choose as the best at their professions.

Shame on all of you who had to ruin the parade. Perhaps if your own egos were concealed a bit better, this thread wouldn't require such hostility in reprimanding your ridiculous responses.

Now, let me tell you why you're wrong.

Yes, there is probably a best of the best out there? Does he/she have to be on the guilds winning the most? Hell no. There can be great players on piss poor Guilds. Or even the best who really dont like to PVP very much so they dont. Does not PVPing much make them any less great? Not a damn bit.

These names that keep popping up on the thread are the best out of a small group of guilds that people see alot. Are they the best in the game. Probably not. They are the best amoung the guilds that are the best, right now.

Not the best total. And you will never know who is the best period because its impossible to ever see everyone in the game and compare them all.

Aries asede · Apr 15, 2006, 02:10 AM // 02:10

warrior:mr biertank
ranger:arrow of doom
mesmer:eye gamer
elementalist:?
monk:?
necro:coffee maker

Iskrah · Apr 15, 2006, 03:04 AM // 03:04

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Originally Posted by Arcanis the Omnipotent

These names that keep popping up on the thread are the best out of a small group of guilds that people see alot. Are they the best in the game. Probably not. They are the best amoung the guilds that are the best, right now.

Not the best total. And you will never know who is the best period because its impossible to ever see everyone in the game and compare them all.

Probably. But when it comes to naming MVP's in most leagues, if you don't pick the best player of the best team, then you're out of the loop. Nothing uncommon.
Look at the NBA. Kobe is phenomenal. Yet it could be Dirk Nowitzki or Steve Nash because their teams are so much better. Same last year with Iverson who was not voted.

Eet GnomeSmasher · Apr 15, 2006, 03:10 AM // 03:10

How about we rename the thread title to:

"Best Player At Each Profession That's Pretty Well Known But Not Necessarily The Best In The Entire Guild Wars Game Because There Really Isnt A Best And There Could Be Others That Are Better"

Then maybe these people will stop picking at this thread already.